are doing without job search  agencies:
10% (like Winners Apparel, CIBC).

     For  small companies:  60% without job  search  agencies. The  same for
turn-key software installers/solution providers.

     I  would not say that there  is an acute shortage of specialists in any
field now (under developed capitalism supply swiftly comes to equilibrium to
demand).

     (This remark  received from  Robert Must. Thank you,  Robert, you share
with your experience like usual):
     <i>This is very correct. While IT industry may provide
     more extensive opportunities due to the fact that this
     immature industry yet. All industries were in this situation
     some time in the past. There is no general deficit of people.
     There is deficit of people with a certain set of skills and
     many of those go to the US because falling loonie cut their
     real salaries. $65k salary is considered good both in the
     US and Canada. But dollar is different. If not this outflow
     probably would be no so much place for those 900 IT people
     who arrive to Canada only from one country every year.</i>

     Price  of  education: all  commercial  courses have $300/week.  (Seneca
$250/course), full-blown University course (4 years): $40,000.

     You may apply for a government loan after a year of living as a PR (pay
out start half a year after gradiation, interest about 5%).

     Length of average private computer courses = 1 year (from 3 months to 2
years). Quality of  education: from C to D (in  Russian 3 with minus). It is
unrealistic to find knowledgeable teachers that also know  how to teach (the
word "methodology" is not known here).

     I  calculate  that  average  time  for  a   person  (without   computer
background) of 25 years  old spent on computer/Software development  related
studies plus job search  is 1 year, if your  are  35 it's 1.5 years, if your
are 40 - two years (if you study/look for job 8 hours a day).

     For a person  with computer background (with language not needed on the
market now, like Fortran or Pascal  or PDP11 Assembler  development) and not
too bad English - it is half a year.

     In Toronto and Kitchener/Waterloo the emphasis is more  on  mainframes,
in
     Mississauga/Brampton  - client/server, C++. In Ottawa- client/server. I
got a feeling that it is harder to find a job in Ottawa.

     Necessary requirements in all cases: professionally written resume (the
whole science  exists about  it)  and written/oral references  (at  least 3,
preferably local  and you must be able to get by (communicate) in English in
"real-time" (50 words/minute) and  be understood- nobody cares  what  accent
you have. Ability to type (in English) 30-40 words per minute is helpful.

     Average  number  of  software  developers  (with  Canadian  PR status),
returning back  to Russia -  about 7%, for  non-programmers  this  figure is
15-20%  (neither  in  Canada,  nor  in  Russia  there  is  no  corresponding
statistics).

     Official  Canadian  data: PRs: families arriving  to  Toronto: 900/year
from Russia, 1000 from Israel. My feeling is that about  half of them  (from
former Soviet  Union) are programmers (at least one in the family), with age
range for a main applicant from 25 to 40 years.

     Percent of (families) 'sitting' on welfare after 1 year of  arrival: my
feeling: 35%,  in  three years:  10%  (for a  programmers  2-3 times  less).
Percent of divorces among newcoming families in the first three years: about
25%.

     Hopefully it will help,

     Alexei Akimov

     P.S.  See archive of Tor:immi mailing list where  a  lot is  written on
this subject already:
     The URL of home page is:
     <a href=http://gewis.win.tue.nl/studie/lists/tor-immi/>http://gewis.win.tue.nl/studie/lists/tor-immi/</a>



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     <B>SPISOK STRANIC INTERNETA V KANADE</B>:
     <B>POISK RABOTY, TRUDOUSTROJSTVO, OBUCHENIE, KO-OP PROGRAMMY</B>

     Spisok sostavlen v 1999 godu, nekotorye ssylki ustareli.

     Nachnite znakomstvo s zhizn'yu v Kanade so sleduyushchih sajtov:

     <u><a href=http://members.xoom.com/HiWay/frame2.htm>http://members.xoom.com/HiWay/frame2.htm</a></u>    -   |to    podrobnaya
fakticheskaya istoriya immigracii, polucheniya PMZH i obustrojstva v Kanade, mnogo
faktov-glazami programmista iz Moskvy.
     <u><a href=http://www.intrasystems.ru/canada/>http://www.intrasystems.ru/canada/</a></u> (russian mirror Server)
     <u>www.sunshines.com</u> (Vancouver, Russian)
     <u>www.thebans.com</u> (Toronto,  Romanian-English),  est' material dlya
programmistov. mnogo po obustrojstvu.
     <u>www.svetofor.com</u> (Toronto, Russian)
     <u><a href=http://www.russiantoronto.com>http://www.russiantoronto.com</a></u> (nazvanie govorit za sebya)

     <u><a href=http://www.newca.com/New.html>http://www.newca.com/New.html</a></u>   Sajt   otnositel'no   novyj,  no
professional'no  i  s  razmahom  sdelannyj, pohozhe s  bol'shimi  zamyslami (v
osnovnom  na  russkom).  Sudya  po tempam, skoro tam budet  mnogo interesnogo
materiala.

     <u><a href=http://home.interhop.net/~microcom/incarus6.html>http://home.interhop.net/~microcom/incarus6.html</a></u>
(Russian-Canadian link list)

     <u><a href=http://www.wrconsulting.com/Immigration/Spisok.htm>http://www.wrconsulting.com/Immigration/Spisok.htm</a></u>   sajt   Ingi
Klemens - luchshee fakticheskoe posobie po immigracii na russkom yazyke, kotoroe
ya kogda-libo videl. Poka ya  ne videl za tri  goda <B>NI ODNOGO</B> plohogo otzyva o
samoj  Inge  Klemens, kotoraya okazyvet  immigracionnye  i  drugie  uslugi  v
podgotovke dokumentov (dobrosovestnee i deshevle, chem drugie yuristy).

     <u><a href=http://www.mv.ru/~eak/can.html>http://www.mv.ru/~eak/can.html</a></u>   spisok    intesnyh   mest   dlya
programmistov i  drugih,  zhelayushchigo  immigrirovat' ili najti  rabotu  s Sev.
Amerike.

     <u><a href=http://artefact.list.ru/>http://artefact.list.ru/</a></u>  Sajt Andreya Piskunova (Vankuver)

     <u><a href=http://members.xoom.com/chukhovsky/main.htm>http://members.xoom.com/chukhovsky/main.htm</a></u> ochen'  emocional'nyj
i neposredstvennyj rasskaz  ob immigracii (Toronto, programmist), pokazyvaet
psihologiyu novogo emigranta, ezhednevnye realii i poryadok dejstvij dlya nachala
emigracii - luchshij sajt v etom plane.

     Esli  u  vas (v  vashem  gorode)  net  Internet  provajdera,  vy  mozhete
svyazat'sya  s  <u>paderin@sentry.iitam.omsk.net.ru</u>  -  Evgenij Paderin  -
zakazat'  CD  disk  s  otobrannymi  materialami  po  Kanade  - immigraciya  i
obustrojstvo.
     <u><a href=http://www.wrconsulting.com/Immigration/Introduction.htm>http://www.wrconsulting.com/Immigration/Introduction.htm</a></u>       -
Immigration to Canada, in Russian
     <u><a href=http://www.sunshines.com/immigration/>http://www.sunshines.com/immigration/</a></u>    -   bol'shoj    velichiny
postoyanno idushchaya diskussiya, na  russkom  yazyke  - immigraciya,  settlement (k
sozhaleniyu, nemoderiruemaya). V den'  do  50 publikacij - to  est' pri nalichii
vremeni mozhno najti otvet na LYUBOJ vopros. V iyune 99 goda poyavilsya poiskovyj
server,  neplohie  arhivy,  ogromnaya  rabota  Lyudmilina,   kotoryj  vse  eto
podderzhivaet (kstati  ne  poluchaya za eto nichego  vzamen. |to kak raz sluchaj,
kogda vse derzhitsya na entuziazme odnogo cheloveka).

     <u><a href=http://members.xoom.com/HiWay/welfare.html>http://members.xoom.com/HiWay/welfare.html</a></u>  -  luchshaya  stat'ya  o
velfere (kak na nego sest' i kak ne sadit'sya)  iz teh chto  ya  videl v  svoej
zhizni. Osobenno mne ponravilos', chto avtor  ob'yasnyaet (dlya neponyatlivyh) TRI
raza  - KOGDA nado podavat'  na velfer. Tol'ko  kogda budete podavat', to  v
polnoj mere ocenite poleznost' etoj stat'i.

     <u>www.privet.com</u> coderzhit moderiruyumuyu diskussiyu po obustrojstvu v
SSHA - sajt iz Siettla, na russkom yazyke.

     <u><a href=http://cicnet.ci.gc.ca/english/immigr/occ/occup1.html>http://cicnet.ci.gc.ca/english/immigr/occ/occup1.html</a></u>     spisok
professij v  Kanade (General  Occupations List) -  nazyvajte svoyu  professiyu
(pri podache zayavleniya v posol'stvo) TOCHNO kak  v etom spiske.  Kak  govorili
ran'she:   "shag  vpravo,  shag   vlevo  -   schetaetsya   pobeg,  strelyaem   bez
preduprezhdeniya".

     Denezhnye rascenki (pri podache zayavleniya, medsomotre):
     <u><a href=http://cicnet.ci.gc.ca/english/info/fees-e.html>http://cicnet.ci.gc.ca/english/info/fees-e.html</a></u>


     <u><a href=http://members.tripod.com/Meltsaev/>http://members.tripod.com/Meltsaev/</a></u> Neplohoj  sajt po podgotovke
k  immigracii  (na   russkom),  pokazyvaet  obrazcy   vseh  dokumentov   dlya
posol'stva, harakteristik, rekomendatel'nyh pisem i pr.

     Karta  Toronto  (zagruzka besplatno, pdf  format).  V pervye  dni posle
priezda vy budete  bespomoshchny  - Toronto gorod  razmerom s Moskvu.  Esli  vy
razuchite vse major intersections  eshche do priezda  v Kanadu, to eto sekonomit
vam nedeli vremeni pri poiske kvartiry i tysyachi dollarov:

     <u><a href=http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/ttc/pdf/rideguide.pdf>http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/ttc/pdf/rideguide.pdf</a></u>

     Samyj <b>avtoritetnyj i  obstoyatel'nyj</b> sajt po immigracionnym voprosam (na
anglijskom), kotoryj mozhno tol'ko sebe predstavit':

     <u><a href=http://www.singer.ca/>http://www.singer.ca/</a></u>

     Kstati, etot sajt - ideal'noe mesto dlya izucheniya "bumazhno-kancelyarskogo
" kanadskogo  yazyka, poskol'ku napisan Kanadskim  immigracionnym  yuristom  s
tridcatiletnim stazhem.

     Esle uzh i posle  nego u vas  ostanutsya  kakie to  voprosy, togda  uzh ne
znayu, chto i predlozhit'...

     Vy   mozhete  posmotret'  sleduyushchie  sajty  pri  poske  raboty   (ssylki
trehgodichnoj davnosti, mnogie ustareli):

     Pozhalujsta pishite mne kakie ssylki ustareli, kakie  nuzhno dobavit'! Bez
vashej obratnoj svyazi (feedback), u menya net vremeni na prosmotr i obnovlenie
ssylok:

     1. <a href=http://www.granary.com/>http://www.granary.com/</a> - Stuffing Solut.Canada - job postings
     2. <a href=http://www.iml.com/>http://www.iml.com/</a> - staffing solutions
     3. <a href=http://imitinc.com/html/postings.html>http://imitinc.com/html/postings.html</a> IT staffing
     4.    <a href=http://indie.ca:80/abilities/services/osd/78.html>http://indie.ca:80/abilities/services/osd/78.html</a>    job   banks,
empl.trainig, good start.point!
     5.  <a href=http://indie.ca:80/abilities/services/osd/77.html>http://indie.ca:80/abilities/services/osd/77.html</a>  resume   writing
tips, start your own busin.
     6.  <a href=http://www.library.ubc.ca:80/edlib/jobs.html>http://www.library.ubc.ca:80/edlib/jobs.html</a>  list  of  sites,  job
search
     7. <a href=http://www.can.ibm.com:80/hr/>http://www.can.ibm.com:80/hr/</a> IBM Canada Employment
     8. <a href=http://www.can.ibm.com/hr/>http://www.can.ibm.com/hr/</a> co-op programs
     9. <a href=http://www.campusscafe.com:80/steve.html>http://www.campusscafe.com:80/steve.html</a>
     10  <a href=http://www.campuscafe.com:80/jobs.html>http://www.campuscafe.com:80/jobs.html</a>  job  search  on Internet in
Canada
     11   <a href=http://info.london.on.ca:80/~aa077/jobs.html>http://info.london.on.ca:80/~aa077/jobs.html</a>   links   to   career
listings of Can. newpapers
     12 <a href=http://www.the-wire.com/hrdc.jobs.html>http://www.the-wire.com/hrdc.jobs.html</a> HRDC Toronto job hunting
     13 <a href=http://www.employmentnews.com>http://www.employmentnews.com</a> Employment News weekly
     14 <a href=http://strategis.ic.gc.ca>http://strategis.ic.gc.ca</a> Canada:industry profiles
     15 <a href=http://www.hookup.net:80/~jobsat/js-home.htm>http://www.hookup.net:80/~jobsat/js-home.htm</a> jobsat careers
     16 <a href=http://www.butler.edu:8001/www/career/ftjob.html>http://www.butler.edu:8001/www/career/ftjob.html</a>
     17 <a href=http://bisinc.com:80/pronet/>http://bisinc.com:80/pronet/</a> computer professionals job place
     18  <a href=http://www.sydex.bc.ca:80/1320fanclub/homepage/silva/emp.html>http://www.sydex.bc.ca:80/1320fanclub/homepage/silva/emp.html</a>  HRDC
for job seekers
     19 <a href=http://www.mediacorp2/com:80/com/index.html>http://www.mediacorp2/com:80/com/index.html</a>  Canada Empl.Weekly  500
career oportun. each week
     20 <a href=http://www.netadssell.com:80/employ.htm>http://www.netadssell.com:80/employ.htm</a> job links assorted
     21 <a href=http://disserv.stu.umn.edu:80/col/listing/region/>http://disserv.stu.umn.edu:80/col/listing/region/</a>  Regional Employm.
Listings
     22 <a href=http://adagent.com/employ/cana-h.html>http://adagent.com/employ/cana-h.html</a> Canada Empl. Classifieds
     23 <a href=http://www.microsoft.com/canada/visit/employop/>http://www.microsoft.com/canada/visit/employop/</a> Microsoft Emloyment
     24 <a href=http://www.grasmick.com/related.htm>http://www.grasmick.com/related.htm</a> Canada to US Empl. Opport.
     25 <a href=http://ein.ccia.st-thomas.on.ca/agencies/cec/hr>http://ein.ccia.st-thomas.on.ca/agencies/cec/hr</a> HRDC sites
     26 <a href=http://www.sunshine.net/www/200/su0253/su0253.htm>http://www.sunshine.net/www/200/su0253/su0253.htm</a> HRDC
     27       <a href=http://www.revcan.ca/whatsnew/eiin.html>http://www.revcan.ca/whatsnew/eiin.html</a>        all       about
employment.insurance
     28 <a href=http://www.nt.net/>http://www.nt.net/</a>%7Ehrdc/ Can.Empl.Centre
     29 <a href=http://www.netour.com/Info-Job/>http://www.netour.com/Info-Job/</a> Info-Job Home
     30 <a href=http://www.cba.uh.edu/ylowpges/ye.html>http://www.cba.uh.edu/ylowpges/ye.html</a> Yellow Pages programmers
     31 <a href=http://www.careerkey.com>http://www.careerkey.com</a> career networking
     32 <a href=http://tri.inline.net/related.htm>http://tri.inline.net/related.htm</a> training sites
     33 <a href=http://wacky.ccit.arizona.edu/>http://wacky.ccit.arizona.edu/</a>%7ESusd/job.html
     34 <a href=http://www.jetform.com/career/career.html>http://www.jetform.com/career/career.html</a> Software develop.jobs
     35 <a href=http://www.demon.co.uk/edusource/elt-vac.html>http://www.demon.co.uk/edusource/elt-vac.html</a> TEFL teachers abroad
     36 <a href=http://www.jobcenter.com>http://www.jobcenter.com</a>
     37 <a href=http://www.jobpoint.com/jpc>http://www.jobpoint.com/jpc</a>
     38 <a href=http://www.yahoo.com/Business/Employment/Jobs>http://www.yahoo.com/Business/Employment/Jobs</a>
     40 <a href=http://math.unr.edu/linguistics/mele.faq.html>http://math.unr.edu/linguistics/mele.faq.html</a>
     41 <a href=http://www.nerdworld.com/nw1157.html>http://www.nerdworld.com/nw1157.html</a> placement services, recruitment
     computers, engineers
     42  <a href=http://www.scripps.edu/>http://www.scripps.edu/</a>%7Exiang/job.html  Career   mosaic  jobs  in
Hi-Tech firms
     43 <a href=http://www.priorresource.com>http://www.priorresource.com</a> programming employers Toronto
     44 <a href=http://tigger.cc.uic.edu/>http://tigger.cc.uic.edu/</a>%7Eaerobin/libjob.html
     45 <a href=http://atl-can-careers.com/>http://atl-can-careers.com/</a> Atlantic Canada locations, job hunting
     46 <a href=http://campus.org/careers.html>http://campus.org/careers.html</a>
     47  <a href=http://www.visions.com/clients/186.html>http://www.visions.com/clients/186.html</a>  Software  developers   job
openings
     48 <a href=http://is.dal.ca/>http://is.dal.ca/</a>%7Emsimpson/jobs.html postings of resumes HRDC
     49 <a href=http://www.provide.net/business.html>http://www.provide.net/business.html</a> International Business Links
     50      <a href=http://www.mhbizlink.com/bizlink/nmd/link.html>http://www.mhbizlink.com/bizlink/nmd/link.html</a>      Mississauga
consult.co. links
     51 <a href=http://mgfx.com/tompkins>http://mgfx.com/tompkins</a>
     52    <a href=http://www.pitt.edu/>http://www.pitt.edu/</a>%7Emalhotra/isworld/postava    IS    worldnet
posit.available
     53 <a href=http://www.saludos.com/saludos/webjob.html>http://www.saludos.com/saludos/webjob.html</a>
     54 <a href=http://www.spaceport.ca/akjuit/admin/emp_res.html>http://www.spaceport.ca/akjuit/admin/emp_res.html</a>
     55 <a href=http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/Government/HRD-NS/orders/jobbanke.html>http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/Government/HRD-NS/orders/jobbanke.html</a>
     56 <a href=http://www.lockheed.on.ca/jobs/2.html>http://www.lockheed.on.ca/jobs/2.html</a> Lockheed CA jobs openings
     57 <a href=http://www.fasken.com/Labemplibbey.html>http://www.fasken.com/Labemplibbey.html</a> Labour & Empl. Bulletin
     58 <a href=http://netrover.com/~ciba/ipacc.html>http://netrover.com/~ciba/ipacc.html</a> IPEC Recruitment
     59 <a href=http://sim-mcburney.com/pagemart/employment.html>http://sim-mcburney.com/pagemart/employment.html</a>
     60
<a href=http://www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca./hrdc/initiatv/eilaunch/newsrele/9651_e.html>http://www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca./hrdc/initiatv/eilaunch/newsrele/9651_e.html</a>
     61
<a href=http://forest.hometown.on.ca/hcn/government/county/oxford/tilscec.html>http://forest.hometown.on.ca/hcn/government/county/oxford/tilscec.html</a>
     62 <a href=http://www.studentjobs.com/sbs/books/sen.html>http://www.studentjobs.com/sbs/books/sen.html</a> Student employment
     63 <a href=http://www.nt.net/~hrdc/cec.htm>http://www.nt.net/~hrdc/cec.htm</a> New Liskeard Canada Empl. Centre
     64 <a href=http://w5h.aims.on.ca>http://w5h.aims.on.ca</a>
     65 <a href=http://www.trionline.com/index.htm>http://www.trionline.com/index.htm</a> training resources directory

     Konec broshyury