CHaVo n'yus-gruppy RU.INTERNET FAQ edition 14.1.1999
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Origin: http://ru.internet.lv/ ¡ http://ru.internet.lv/
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"Casaubon, when originals no longer exist, the last copy is the
original."
- - Foucault's Pendulum, Chapter 18
RU.INTERNET* FAQ
Edition 13.01.1999 (With important updates & changes!)
RU.INTERNET* FAQ
by Tanya Matveeva & other RU.INTERNET* readers
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Uchastniki konfepencii ochen' prosyat vseh "vnov' pribyvshih" izuchit' FAQ,
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hotite zadat', ne nov i zdes' vy najdete neobhodimuyu informaciyu.
(c) Disclaimer :
Rasprostranenie dannogo dokumenta v komp'yuternyh setyah Internet/FIDO/ i
drugih privetstvuetsya - no tol'ko v formate "As Is". O voprosah razmeshcheniya
ego na www-serverah i vneseniya v nego izmenenij nastoyatel'no proshu
svyazyvat'sya s FAQ-master'om - Tanya Matveeva 2:5030/57.208 /inity@usa.net/ .
Dopolneniya, pozhelaniya i voprosy dlya FAQ privetstvuyutsya.
(s) Authors: spisok uchastnikov konferencij, sdelavshih svoi vklady v FAQ
(spasibo za neocenimuyu pomoshch'!) - prilagaetsya v konce.
Razdely FAQ:
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1. Voprosy po e-mail
2. Konferencii Usenet i fidoshnye konferencii
3. Sovety, priemy raboty, soft
4. Vladel'cam WEB-stranichek
5. Poleznye ssylki
Polnyj perechen' voprosov:
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1. Voprosy po e-mail
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1.1. Kakie SMTP i POP3 servepa y USA.NET?
1.2. Kakie SMTP i POP3 servepa y CHAT.RU?
1.3. Gde dayut halyavnye e-mail adresa?
1.4. Podskazhite SMTP-servera svobodnogo dostupa.
1.5. Kak nastroit' forvard c USA.NET na drugoj adres (v Fido)?
1.6. Kak otpravit' pis'mo iz Internet v Fido i iz Fido v Internet?
1.7. Kak nastroit' pochtovuyu programmu na rabotu c USA.NET? CHto kuda
pisat'?
1.8. Est' li ROR3 i SMTP-servera u Hotmail i Yahoo? Mozhno li tam
nastroit' pereadresaciyu?
1.9. Podskazhite e-mail programmu, kotoraya mozhet zabirat' pochtu c
neskol'kih adresov.
1.10. Kak v Outlook Express napisat' pis'mo ne s adresa "po umolchaniyu",
a s drugogo akkounta?
1.11. Outlook Express pri otvete na pis'mo otkazyvaetsya podstavlyat'
simvoly citirovaniya.
1.12. Poluchil pis'mo, no ne mogu prochitat' ego - vmesto russkih bukv
viden tol'ko nabor simvolov.
1.13. V kakoj kodirovke sejchas prinyato slat' e-mail.
1.14. Ne podskazhet li kto adresa pochtovyh robotov (teh, chto po zayavke s
FTP-servera fajly po pochte peresylat' budut)?
1.15. A chto takoe ROR3 i SMTP?
1.16. Kak cherez e-mail rabotat' s WWW (poluchat' web-stranichki, fajly po
FTP, pol'zovat'sya poiskovymi serverami i t.p.?)
1.17. Stoit Netscape i The Bat!. Kak sdelat' tak, chtoby pri klike na
ssylku "poslat' e-mail" (mailto:) zapuskalsya The Bat!, a ne vstroennyj
mejler Netskejpa?
1.18. Kak zashchitit'sya ot spama (nenuzhnoj elektronnoj pochty?)
2. Konferencii Usenet i fidoshnye konferencii
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2.1. Kak chitat'/pisat' v fidoshnye ehi cherez Internet?
2.2. Kak otpravit' pis'mo v konferenciyu s pomoshch'yu tol'ko e-mail
programmy, bez n'yusridera?
2.3. Kogda ya pishu otvety na soobsheniya v fidoshnye konferencii, v pole
"To:" gejtom avtomaticheski podstavlyaetsya "All" _ kak sdelat' tak, chtoby tam
bylo imya poluchatelya, soglasno fidoshnoj tradicii.
2.4. Podskazhite besplatnye n'yus-servepa!
2.5. Kak nastroit' Outlook Express dlya skachivaniya grupp novostej i
posleduyushchego chteniya ih v off-line?
3. Sovety, priemy raboty, soft
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3.1. Kak cohranit' stranichku vmeste c kartinkami?
3.2. Kak zakachat' ves' sajt, vmeste c kartinkami, muzykoj i t.p. i
prosmotret' ego off-line?
3.3. CHasto vizhu v podpisi bukvy ICQ i cifry _ chto eto?
3.4. YA zabyl svoj parol' na ICQ! CHto delat'?!
3.5. Kakie est' programmy dlya raboty s Internet pod DOS, na staryh
mashinah?
3.6. Posovetujte xoposhuyu zvonilku c avtodozvonom i t.p.
3.7. Pochemu-to ne zapominaetsya parol' dlya vhoda v Internet.
3.8. CHto takoe Cookies? Opasny li oni? Kak ih izbezhat'?
3.9. CHto takoe realaudio (realvideo), kak ego slushat', chem i kak
zapisyvat'?
3.10. Kak avtomatom posylat' na opredelennyj e-mail adres fajly,
kotorye budut skladyvat'sya v opredelennyj katalog?
3.11. Podskazhite gde mozhno pochitat' o russifikacii 3.11/95/98/NT/2000,
chtob mozhno bylo chatit'sya v IRC/ICQ, normal'no smotret' v Internet
Explorer/Netscape, normal'no otpravlyat' pis'ma.
3.12. Kak nastroit' russkij yazyk v programme Forte Agent?
3.13. Kak nastroit' russkij yazyk v brouzere Arachne (dlya DOS?)
3.14. Kak nastroit' russkij yazyk v brouzere Opera?
3.15. Kakie est' programmy dlya fil'tracii reklamnyh bannerov na
stranichkah?
3.16. Posovetujte programmy dlya uskoreniya raboty v Internet.
3.17. Kak obshchat'sya cherez Internet golosom? Kak pozvonit' na golosovoj
telefon cherez Internet?
3.18. Kak perekachat' fajl s odnogo FTP na drugoe?
3.19. CHto takoe IRC?
3.20. Kak ubrat' iz zagruzki Netscape AOL Instant Messenger?
3.21. CHto oznachayut v konce Internetovskogo adresa *.com, *.org, *.edu i
tak dalee?
3.22. Neozhidanno i vpervye poluchil pis'mo ot firmy HHH s trebovaniem
zapustit' prilagaemoe obnovlenie k ih programme, ili lechilku ot yakoby
imeyushchegosya virusa, ili supernovyj uskoritel' raboty v internete na neskol'ko
poryadkov... ili natknulsya na takuyu zhe fantastiku na neizvestno ch'ej
stranichke...
3.23. Kak najti cheloveka v Internet?
3.24. Gde mozhno vzyat' PGP (Pretty Good Privacy - sistemu shifrovaniya
elektronnoj pochty?)
3.25. Gde mozhno vzyat' Lynx dlya Windows?
4. Vladel'cam WEB-stranichek
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4.1. Kakoj nuzhen soft dlya togo, chtoby sdelat' svoyu stranichku?
4.2. CHto pochitat' o HTML na pysskom yazyke?
4.3. Kak sdelat' muzyku na stranichke, chtoby ee ponimali i MSIE, i
Netscape?
4.4. Kak sdelat', chtoby pri nazhatii na ssylku v odnom frejme, ona
otkryvalas' v novom okne (v tom zhe / v drugom frejme), chtoby frejmy ischezli?
4.5. I popodrobnee o targeting _ "oglasite ves' spisok, pozhalujsta!"
4.6. Sdelal stranichku _ kak pravil'no propisyvat' puti k graficheskim
fajlam, esli oni nahodyatsya v drugom kataloge? Budet li ih vidno posle
zagruzki stranichki na server?
4.7. Kak razreklamirovat' svoyu stranichku? Gde pochitat' o bannernoj
reklame?
4.8. Kak sdelat', chtoby ssylki na moyu stranicu poyavilis' v razlichnyh
poiskovyh mashinah i katalogah?
4.9. Gde vzyat' schetchik dlya stranichki?
4.10. Gde dayut halyavnye domennye adresa (pepeadresaciya, chtoby adres
stranichki byl kopotkim i zapominayushchimsya)
4.11. Gde dayut mesto pod besplatnye stranichki?
4.12. Gde luchshe vsego razmestit' svoyu stranichku (virtual'nyj server) _
na halyavnom servere, na sajte u provajdera, priobresti hosting za granicej?
4.13. Kak vybirat' provajdera dlya razmeshcheniya svoej informacii?
4.14. Gde mozhno vzyat' chat, chtoby pomestit' na stranichke?
4.15. Kak sdelat' spisok rassylki, chtoby rassylat' posetitelyam sajta
informaciyu ob obnovleniyah?
5. Poleznye ssylki
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5.1. Podskazhite sajty, gde mozhno pochatit'sya po-russki!
5.2. Gde mozhno podpisat'sya na besplatnye spiski passylki c novostyami na
pysskom? Gde podpisat'sya na programmu televideniya?
5.3. Gde vzyat' programmy Catz i Dogz (koshki i sobaki-tamagochi?)
5.4. Gde vzyat' kryak k (....)?
5.5. Podskazhite ssylki na sajty, gde dayut halyavu (besplatnye stranichki,
adresa, schetchiki, kovriki dlya myshek i prochee)
5.6. Gde mozhno vzyat' peferaty?
5.7. Gde mozhno skachat' mnogo horoshego softa, besplatno?
5.8. Podskazhite sajty, s kotoryh mozhno otpravit' virtual'nye otkrytki?
5.9. Podskazhite sajty znakomstv i brachnyh agenstv!
5.10. Podskazhite parochku horoshih poiskovikov po FTP.
5.11. Kak otpravit' faks cherez Internet?
5.12. Kak otpravit' soobshchenie na pejdzher po e-mail'u?
5.13. CHto pokazat' v Internet rebenku?
5.14. Nuzhny url'y russkoyazychnyh yuridicheskih sajtov.
5.15. Podskazhite URL onlajnovyh perevodchikov (vvodish' frazu na odnom
yazyke, poluchaesh' ee perevod na drugoj yazyk.
5.16. Gde najti informaciyu dlya avtolyubitelej ("Gde proverit' mashinu na
ugon?" "Adresa serverov firm proizvoditelej avto?" "Gde est' "russkaya
avtomobil'naya" doska ob'yavlenij?" "Gde najti ceny na mashiny?" "Gde pochitat'
russkie avtozhurnaly v elektronnom vide?")
5.17. Gde mozhno dat' besplatnoe ob®yavlenie?
5.18. Gde mozhno najti informaciyu po emigracii, adresa immigracionnyh
centrov?
5.19. Kakie mozhno v Internete poslushat' russkie radiostancii, veshchayushchie
v RealAudio?
5.20. Podskazhite servera, posvyashchennye poisku raboty!
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1.1 Kakie SMTP i POP3 servepa y USA.NET?
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POP3 - pop.netaddress.com / pop.netaddress.usa.net /
betapop.netaddress.net
SMTP - Ispol'zujte SMTP-server svoego provajdera, ili lyuboj drugoj
SMTP-server, kotoryj stanet prinimat' ot vas sochtu (proveryaetsya opytnym
putem - naprimer, mail.usa.net)
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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1.2 Kakie SMTP i POP3 servepa y CHAT.RU?
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mail.chat.ru (KOI8), win.chat.ru, mac.chat.ru, alt.chat.ru
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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1.3 Gde dayut halyavnye e-mail adresa?
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1) Servepa, predostavlyayushchie dostup po POP3:
http://www.netaddress.com
http://www.geocities.com (vmeste co stranichkoj)
http://www.chat.ru (vmeste co stranichkoj)
http://www.hempseed.com
http://www.dds.nl/dds/newusers/applyform.html
http://windoms.sitek.net
http://www.tomcat.ru
http://www.mail.ru
http://www.crosswinds.net
http://www.mail.lv
http://ww.polbox.com/mailwww.html
http://www.softhome.net
2) He predostavlyayushchie dostupa po POP3:
http://www.hotmail.com (POP3 - platno)
http://www.rocketmail.com
http://www.bigfoot.com
http://www.mailcity.com
http://www.yahoo.com
http://www.mailexcite.com
http://www.pochta.ru
http://www.goplay.com
3) Spiski est' na:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/8015/pop3.html
http://www.ipclub.ru/free/ub/free.html
http://www.myownemail.com
http://www.aha.ru/~cybersys
http://www.halyava.ru/ilya/servers.htm
http://www.emailaddresses.com
http://www.freeindex.com
http://www.ipclub.ru/free/ub/free.html
http://www.thefreesite.com
4) Forvard na drugoj adres predostavlyayut, v chastnosti:
http://www.netaddress.com
http://www.netforwards.com
http://www.cmpnetmail.com
http://www.lycosmail.com
http://www.bigfoot.com
http://www.chat.ru
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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1.4 Podskazhite SMTP-servera svobodnogo dostupa.
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Spisok SMTP-serverov svobodnogo dostupa est' na
http://sesna.kharkiv.org/free/win/mail/smtp.html
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(Sergei Sinilo)
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Provereny sleduyushchie servera:
dorian.comtel.ru
stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de
mail.cccos.ro
mail.sysnet.it
mail.pip.com.au
mail.asn-linz.ac.at
solaris.matti.ee
mailserver.ssnet.it
pop.clinch.ch
relay.stravt.ru
194.85.159.2
194.3.104.201
asylum.mailcom.com
relay.777.com.ua
195.161.5.3
194.85.159.2
194.3.104.201
asylum.mailcom.com
195.161.5.3
195.161.5.21
195.161.5.21
195.161.5.42
www.radiopage.ru
193.124.32.156
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(Andrey Ryzhikoff)
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1.5 Kak nastroit' forvard c USA.NET na drugoj adres (v Fido)?
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http://www.netaddress.com - vam sleduet zajti v Services - Forwarding
address i propisat' tam adres, na kotoryj vy hotite pepepravlyat' vashu pochtu.
Naprimer, na fidoshnyj adres, zapisav ego v internetovskom formate:
Vasya_Pupkin@p13.f133.n5030.z2.fidonet.org (= Vasya Pupkin,
2:5030/133.13)
Krome togo, mozhno nastroit' mnozhestvo fil'trov protiv spama. Dlya etogo
idite v razdel Junk Mail Block.
Esli vy hotite otkazat'sya ot adresa na Usa.Net, v razdele Preferences
nazhmite knopku "Cancel Your Usa.Net Account".
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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1.6 Kak otpravit' pis'mo iz Internet v Fido i iz Fido v Internet?
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Pis'ma iz Internet v Fido otpravlyayutsya cherez gejty. Po umolchaniyu, vam
nichego ne nado delat', krome preobrazovaniya fidoshnogo adresa v
Internetovskij format:
Vasya_Pupkin@p13.f133.n5030.z2.fidonet.org (= Vasya Pupkin,
2:5030/133.13)
Dlya preobrazovaniya mozhno vospol'zovat'sya special'noj programmoj by
Crazy Computers Systems, kotoruyu mozhno skachat' na
http://inity.junik.lv/convert.html
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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Pis'ma iz Fido v Internet pishutsya sleduyushchim obrazom:
From : Your name X:XXXX/X.X
To : friend@internet.com 2:50/128 (Gejt po umolchaniyu)
Subj : From Fido
Vmesto 2:50/128 mozhet stoyat' adres vashego mestnogo gejta, naprimer v
Moskve - 2:5020/128, v Peterburge - 2:5030/128.
Esli internetovskij adres dlinnee 36 simvolov i ne vlezaet v pole
zagolovka, napishite v zagolovke slovo UUCP v pole imeni poluchatelya, a
internetovskij adres pomestite v pervoj strochke pis'ma, kak pokazano nizhe.
Naprimer:
From : Your name X:XXXX/X.X
To : UUCP 2:50/128 (Gejt po umolchaniyu)
Subj : From Fido
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To: friend@very.cool.internet.provider.ru
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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1.7 Kak nastroit' pochtovuyu programmu na rabotu c USA.NET? CHto kuda
pisat'?
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Dlya raboty c USA.NET vam ponadobitsya dostup v internet po dial-up po
krajnej mepe - UUCP ne podojdet.
SMTP servep - mail.usa.net, no esli est' vozmozhnost', luchshe
ispol'zovat' servep poblizhe - servep svoego provajdepa ili prakticheski
lyubogo iz provajdepov - kak pravilo, SMTP-servepy vse ravno, kto posylaet
pochtu.
POP3 servep - pop.netaddress.com.
Uchetnaya zapis' (Login) - to imya, pod kotorym vy zaregistrirovalis' na
usa.net - vse, chto nahoditsya DO sobachki. To est', yourname@usa.net = login:
yourname. Parol' - tot parol', c kotorym vy pegistrirovalis' na USA.NET.
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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1.8 Est' li ROR3 i SMTP-servera u Hotmail i Yahoo? Mozhno li tam
nastroit' pereadresaciyu?
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U Yahoo net ROR3 servera, u Hotmail pol'zovanie ROR3-serverom platnoe.
Odnako, Hotmail mozhno obmanut', vospol'zovavshis' programmkoj HotmailExpress
- ona pozvolit vam obshchat'sya s serverami Hotmail iz obychnoj e-mail programmy.
Odnako eto ne ochen' udobno, programma podtormazhivaet, zapisyvaet sebya v
reestre v gruppu avtozapuska i boltaetsya v trejke, esli rukami ne podpravit'
reestr. Vzyat' ee mozhno na www.cwebmail.com. Avtomaticheskuyu pereadresaciyu s
etih serverov na drugie adresa takzhe nastroit' nel'zya. Podobnye uslugi
predostavlyaet, naprimer, Netaddress ( http://www.netaddress.com ).
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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1.9 Podskazhite e-mail programmu, kotoraya mozhet zabirat' pochtu c
neskol'kih adresov.
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Outlook Express iz postavki MSIE 4.0 (http://www.microsoft.com).
The Bat! (http://www.ritlabs.com).
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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Magic Mail Monitor v2.52 - ochen' rekomenduyu, freeware:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/2576/magic.zip- 58k (!)
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/2576/magic.html
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(Alexei Ivanov)
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1.10 Kak v Outlook Express napisat' pis'mo ne s adresa "po umolchaniyu",
a s drugogo akkounta?
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Sozdav pis'mo, vyberite File - Send Message Using (Akkount, cherez
kotoryj vy hotite otpravit' pis'mo) ili File - Send Message Later Using -
(Akkount).
V pervom sluchae pis'mo otpravitsya nemedlenno, vo vtorom sluchaj ono
postupit v papku Outbox (Ishodyashchie) i budet zhdat' svoego chasa, poka vy
vyberete "Send and receive" ili "Send messages in outbox"
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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1.11 Outlook Express pri otvete na pis'mo otkazyvaetsya podstavlyat'
simvoly citirovaniya.
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(From http://home.t-online.de/home/PiT.R/oe-faq.htm, perevod s
nemeckogo Alex Traveller)
Dazhe togda, kogda v Servis | Parametry | Otpravka | aktivirovana
funkciya "Ispol'zovat' v otvete tekst originala" i v sootvetstvuyushchih
nastrojkah pochty/novostej aktivirovano "Vydelyat' original'nyj tekst s ">",
Outlook Express ne smozhet vydelyat' citiruemyj tekst, esli on napisan v
formate MIME Quoted-Printable ili Base 64.
Reshenie:
vydelit' zagolovok E-Mail.
nazhat' na "Otvetit'..." ("Reply") i v otkryvshemsya okne nazhat' Soobshchenie
| Pereslat' ("Forward")
v otkryvshemsya okne skopirovat' chast' teksta, prednaznachennuyu dlya
citirovaniya (vmeste s poyavivshimisya teper' ">"-simvolami), zatem vstavit'
skopirovannoe v tekst ishodnogo otveta (t.e., v pervoe okno); v novostyah
pridetsya analogichnym obrazom otkryvat' eshche odno (tret'e) okno i kopirovat'
citiruemyj tekst iz nego.
Ili - vstavlyat' simvoly ">" vruchnuyu. Uslovie - v Servis | Parametry |
Otpravka | opciya "V otvete ispol'zovat' format original'nogo soobshcheniya"
dolzhna byt' deaktivirovana.
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Eshche odin variant (Dlya obladatelej Golded 3.0 beta 5):
Sohranite pis'mo v tekstovyj fajl, perekodirujte ego v kodirovku DOS
(866), sozdajte v Golded novoe pis'mo i ispol'zujte F3 - Paste file as
Quote.
Eshche odin variant (esli u vas sluchaem zavalyalsya staren'kij Netskejp):
Sozdajte v Netscape 3.x novoe pis'mo, skopirujte tekst pis'ma, na
kotoroe hotite otvetit', v bufer obmena i vyberite Edit -- Paste As
Quotation. Odnako variant s Golded rabotaet namnogo luchshe :)
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(Alex Savin)
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1.12 Poluchil pis'mo, no ne mogu prochitat' ego - vmesto russkih bukv
viden tol'ko nabor simvolov.
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Vozmozhno, pis'mo bylo isporcheno v rezul'tate perekodirovok na pochtovyh
serverah. Dlya vosstanovleniya pis'ma mozhete vospol'zovat'sya programmami:
DC Universal Russian codepage DeCoder for DOS and OS/2
http://www.infoline.ru/g23/9749/dc/index.htm
EMagic for Unix and DOS
ftp://ftp.mplik.ru/pub/unix/utils/
XCode for DOS
http://www.lexa.ru/arrow/xcode.htm
Online Decoder
http://design.ru/free/decoder/
MailReader for Win95/NT
http://www.agama.com/win/mailreader
CodePage for DOS
http://www.gas.lipetsk.ru/~cpage
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(Alexander Korostin)
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http://members.tripod.com/~sesna/cpage13.zip
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(Sergei Sinilo)
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Bred
V razdele programm na http://yurok.da.ru
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(Yurok Merkulov)
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Vozmozhno, pered vami pis'mo, zashifrovannoe Base64. Iz Base64 pis'mo
mozhno perekodirovat', v chastnosti, cherez WinZip, sohraniv tekst s
rasshireniem *.b64; ispol'zovat' DeCode Shell Extension
(http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/funduc) - ona dekodiruet UUENCODE, Base64 i
BinHex.
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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Hotelos' by dobavit' syuda E-Coder mail decoder proizvodstva EType Co. i
napisannuyu Aleksandrom Gorlachom www.enet.ru/win/etype/ecoder - prosto
izumitel'nyj produkt, kotoryj pozvolyaet avtomaticheski perekodirovat' tekst,
kotoryj byl do 4 (!) raz zakodirovan v razlichnye kodirovki.
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(Denis Burdukovsky)
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1.13 V kakoj kodirovke sejchas prinyato slat' e-mail.
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B KOI-8 R. |to standart de facto. Istoricheski slozhivshijsya, hotya sejchas
ego polozhenie sil'no potesnila kodirovka Win-1251.
Pis'ma portyatsya po neskol'kim prichinam. Pervoe, byvaet krivo nastroen
mejlep. Pis'mo pishetsya, skazhem, v kodirovke KOI, a mejlep pripisyvaet k nemu
charset=Western ili chto-nibud' v etom rode.
Vtopoe, ne v mepy umnye servepa provajdepov, bepushchiesya pepekodirovat'
prohodyashchuyu chepez nih pochtu. Esli na takoj servep prihodit pis'mo v kodirovke
KOI8, a "umnyj" servep vdrug reshaet, chto ono v Win-1251 i pepekodiruet ego,
poluchaetsya beliberda...
Poetomu, glavnyj sovet:
ispol'zovat' kodirovku KOI8 ili v krajnem sluchae Win-1251;
hoposho nastroit' mejlep;
ne ispol'zovat' servepov, pepekodiruyushchih pochtu.
Sejchas est' mnogo pochtovyh programm, podderzhivayushchih tak nazyvaemuyu
HTML-mail - pochtu c raznymi cvetami i shriftami.
He ispol'zujte etogo, esli vy tochno ne znaete, chto pochtovaya programma
adresata budet sposobna obrabotat' takoe pis'mo!
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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1.14 Ne podskazhet li kto adresa pochtovyh robotov (teh, chto po zayavke s
FTP-servera fajly po pochte peresylat' budut)?
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ftpmail@demos.su
ftpmail@ftp.sunet.se
ftpmail@hq.demos.su
ftpmail@netserv2.chg.ru
ftpmail@relcom.ru
ftpmail-request@dux.ru
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(Anton Matsaev)
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ftpmail@census.gov
ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu
bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu
ftpmail@ftp.Dartmouth.EDU
ftp-request@netcom.com
bitftp@vm.gmd.de
ftpmail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de
ftpmail@ftp.luth.se
ftpmail@doc.ic.ac.uk
ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au
ftpmail@ieunet.ie
bitftp@plearn.edu.pl
ftpmail@archie.inesc.pt
ftpmail@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
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(Takaseev Alexei)
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ftpmail@hq.demos.su
ftpmail@elvis.msk.su
ftpmail@kiae.su
ftpmail@ftp.pczz.msk.su
ftpmail@infopro.spb.su
ftpmail@doc.ic.ac.uk
ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au
ftpmail@ftp.uu.net
ftpmail@pucc.bitnet
ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu
bitftp@plearn.edu.pl
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(Pavel Groisman)
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Lyubitelyam FTP-po-pochte yavno prigoditsya eta ssylka:
http://www.halyava.ru/alexkuck/speed_up.html
3des' passkazano o intepesnoj programme URL-Requester, c pomoshch'yu
kotopoj mozhno legko zakazyvat' fajly c FTP po pochte c pomoshch'yu servisa
DownloadSlave.
Programma URL-Requester nahoditsya, naprimep, na:
http://www.downloadslave.com/urlrequester20.zip
Pyssifikaciya:
http://nmsf.sscc.ru/neuro/freeware/ur_russian.zip
Dlya polucheniya parolya k servisam DownloadSlave nado poslat' pustoe
pis'mo na
data@downloadslave.com
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(Tat'yana Matveeva)
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http://www.emailfile.com
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(Nikolay Leonov)
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Est' odna sluzhba, kotoraya umeet eto delat' rovno i prisylat' attachi v
vo vse sovremennye pochtovye programmy. Okazyvaetsya ochen' udobno skachivat',
skazhem, drajvera ili mp3-shki. ZHivet ona na http://wwh.nsys.by/FileByE-mail
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(Sergey Gotin)
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1.15 A chto takoe ROR3 i SMTP?
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B Internet ispol'zuetsya neskol'ko protokolov dlya peredachi pochtovyh
soobshchenij:
SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol).
Iz nazvaniya sleduet (simple ;), chto etot protokol podderzhivaet tol'ko
otpravlenie soobshchenij. To est' odnogo etogo protokola dlya
polnofunkcional'nogo pochtovogo servisa imho nedostatochno.
POP2 (Post Office Protocol version 2).
|tot protokol podderzhivaet tol'ko poluchenie soobshchenij. Po teorii imho
mozhet rabotat' v kupe s (1).
POP3 (Post Office Protocol version 3).
Na segodnyashnee vremya odin iz samyh rasprostranennyh pochtovyh
protokolov. Podderzhivaet kak priem el. pochty, tak i otpravlenie.
IMAP (Internet mail access protocol).
POP3 (kak i ostal'nye) ispol'zuet TCP/IP-stek kak transportnoe zveno
dlya peradachi oobshchenij.
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(Alexander Sergeev)
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1.16 Kak cherez e-mail rabotat' s WWW (poluchat' web-stranichki, fajly po
FTP, pol'zovat'sya poiskovymi serverami i t.p.?)
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Napishi pis'mo na adres BobRankin@mhv.net
V pole subj: send accmail.ru . V tele pis'ma nichego pisat' ne nado.
Tebe pridet podrobnoe opisanie na russkom yazyke o tom, kak rabotat' s
Set'yu, ispol'zuya tol'ko e-mail. Opisan dostup k WWW, FTP, WAIS i t.d.
Eshche mozhesh' skachat' s adresa
ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/gb/gboyd/wssearch.zip podrobnoe opisanie na
anglijskom yazyke, kak rabotat' s poiskovami mashinami posredstvom tol'ko
e-mail. Opisan sintaksis i formaty zaprosa k razlichnym poiskovym mashinam
Yahoo, AltaVista, Lycos, Infoseek, Excite i t.d.
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(Maxim Doronin)
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Imeyushchih v rasporyazhenii tol'ko el. pochtu i interesuyushchihsya voprosom sabzha
- proshu otkliknut'sya!
Dzh. Bojd v svoem bessmertnom trude
ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/gb/gboyd/wssearch.zip podrobno opisyvet, kak
osushchestvlyat' poisk cherez e-mail v razlichnyh poiskovyh sistemah tipa
Altavista, Yahoo i t. p. Menya, estestvenno, interesuyut russkie poiskovye
servera. Vot, chto ya poluchil, sleduya rekomendaciyam Bojda:
www.rambler.ru - Rambler:
http://www-koi8-r.rambler.ru/cgi-bin/rambler_search ?text=XXXX
www.yandex.ru - YAndeks:
http://yandex.ru:8080/yandsearch ?words=XXXX
http://el.visti.net - Haj zhive Ukraina! - ukrainskij poiskovyj server:
http://el.visti.net/cgi-bin/infores_eng_get? pwd=%2D
&base=%2Fir%2Fwww_bases%2Fw3ukr%2Fw3ukr &pattern=XXXX &oper=or &qname=
Pervye dva URLa dayut prekrasnye rezul'taty. U "Vistej" poka ne ochen'
bol'shaya baza dannyh. Ispol'zuetsya kodirovka KOI-8. Esli u vas UUPC - prosto
nabiraete vmesto HHHH svoe klyuchevoe slovo (ili slova cherez +) na russkom
yazyke - UUPC avtomatichno perekodiruet v KOI-8. Otvet prihodit takzhe v KOI-8
- dlya prosmotra ya ispol'zuyu v'yuer Dos Navigatora, on podderzhivaet razlichnye
kodirovki.
www.aport.ru - Aport!
http://193.125.27.72/scripts/WINP/template.dll
?IniFilePath=ini%5Ctemplnew.ini &output=nShowSent+%3D+3%2C+Font+%3D+medium
&Speller=on &ReqTranslation=No &AnswTranslation=No &FindRequest=XXXX
&IrsBase=All+World
Zdes' kakie-to problemy s KOI-8 - prihoditsya ispol'zovat' 1251. Dlya
zadaniya russkih klyuchevyh slov berutsya 16-richnye ekvivalenty russkih bukv
(tipa %AC i t. p.). Nedostatok - otsutstvie rezyume v rezul'tatah poiska.
Dlya raboty s www-mail serverami ispol'zuyutsya komandy:
w3mail:
get -a -uu URL (ili get -a -z -uu - budet upakovano gzip'om)
agora:
zip
send URL (komandu zip podderzhivaet tol'ko agora@www.eng.dmu.ac.uk)
getweb:
get encoding uuencode URL
Eshche 2 poiskovyh sistemy, dostupnyh tol'ko cherez getveb:
http://tela.dux.ru/
http://sesna.hypermart.net/ (Ukraina)
Zakaz web-stranichek po email :
getweb@emailfetch.com
getweb@usa.healthnet.org
wwwfmail@wwwfetch.com - IMHO samye bystrye
Mozhno zakazyvat' russkie stranicy. Est' eshche mailserv@inforis.nnov.su -
ureguliruj so svoim provajderom vopros oplaty ego uslug.
Spisok dejstvuyushchih www-mail serverov mozhno najti zdes':
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1236/servers.html
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Informaciyu ya podkinu, no ty ee prover' obyazatel'no, potomu chto ustarelo
tam mnogo. Algoritm takoj - posylaesh' po ukazannomu adresu pis'mo s HELP v
tele. Otvet ili pridet ili net. :) Rekomenduyu tak: snachala zadaesh' na ARCHIE
poisk nuzhnoj programmy. Pridet pis'mo s rezul'tatami poiska. Dalee cherez
server ftpmail zakazyvaesh' etu progu. Vse instrukcii - po HELP s
sootvetstvuyushchego servera.
mailserv (rabota s fajlovymi arhivami)
mailserv@altpi.altai.su
mailserv@chci.chuvashia.su
mailserv@cs.kiev.ua
mailserv@cntc.dubna.su
mailserv@data.telsib.nsk.su
ms@demos.su
mailserv@elvis.msk.su
mailserv@em-isrir.msk.su
ms@f1.oryol.su
mailserv@fagot.turbo.nsk.su
mailserv@ic.simbirsk.su
mailserv@inforis.nnov.su
mailserv@izhmark.udmurtia.su
ms@kc.vladimir.su
mailserv@kiae.su
artserv@nevod.perm.su
ailserv@orgland.zgrad.su
mailserv@push.stack.serpukhov.su
mailserv@riaph.irkutsk.su
mailserv@sl.semsk
mailserv@stc.simbirsk.su
mailserv@tehinv.msk.su
ftpmail (rabota s ftp, vse besplatno)
ftpmail@dux.ru
ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
ftpmail@gatekeeper.dec.com
ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu
ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au
ftpmail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de
ftpmail@grasp1.univ.lyon1.fr
ftpmail@ftp.luth.se
ftpmail@doc.ic.ac.uk
bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu
bitftp@vm.gmd.de
ftpmail Relkomovskie (a eto vrode za denyuzhku)
ftpmail@hq.demos.msk.su
ftpmail@kiae.su
ftpmail@elvis.ru
newsserv (eto kazhis' platnye)
newsserv@kiae.su
news@news.demos.su
relis@kiae.su
news@sanet.ge
newsserver@srcc.msu.su
newsserv@elvis.ru
newsserv (a vot eto tochno besplatnye)
news@edisoft.khabarovsk.su
newsserv@gu.kiev.ua
Server fil'tracii novostej
netnews@hotpage.stanford.edu
WAIS-mail (pochtovye servera)
waismail@quake.think.com
waismail@elvis.ru
GOPHER-servera (poiskovye)
gopher@earn.net
gophermail@calvin.ncc.go.jp
gopher@dsv.su.se
Pochtovye servera WWW
webmail@curia.ucc.ie
w3mail@elvis.ru
Anonimnye servera (|to naibolee izmenyayushchijsya spisok, proveryajte)
nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
catalyst@netcom.com
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